president has put forward a plan, which we believe is good for the country, good for the health care of our people. >> no doubt. >> and it will save us money. so from all of those standpoints, we think it's a program that will work. now, we have three years to make it better before it fully goes into effect. but let me tell you, nobody that i've talked to that doesn't want to make sure that insurance companies can't tell them, no, sorry, we're not going to insure you and your family because your child has diabetes or asthma, or you're not going to be precluded from changing and going into business and creating a business of your own and jobs simply because you have a pre-existing heart condition and won't be able to get health care. >> so -- >> we think this is a very significant, positive step forward and we think over the years, americans are going to come to that conclusion as well. >> and the case has to be made, undoubtedly, to the voters, that the republicans, if they get the majority, are going to reverse all of this and wipe it right out. this legislation saves lives.